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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Dec 15, 2010 7:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The First Live Dark Star?

Oliver Trager seconds your source, sir.

Mr. Trager goes on to say that

"Hunter's lyrics recall a twisted and psychedelic take on T.S. Eliot's 'The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock'. For example, Eliot's lines 'Let us go then, you and I, while the evening is spread out aginst the sky like a patient etherised upon a table'..."

Considering that Mr. Hunter is a poet as well as a lyricist, it seems highly unlikely that he would not be aware of the opening English lines of TLSOJAP.

TOOTMO

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Dec 15, 2010 8:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The First Live Dark Star?

And if he was aware of them, he certainly improved upon them, in my view.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Dec 15, 2010 9:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The First Live Dark Star?

You're not seriously suggesting that Hunter 'improved' Eliot? I doubt very much you'd ever hear him make that claim, fangirl!

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Dec 15, 2010 9:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The First Live Dark Star?

I'm definitely suggesting that in this case he improved on Eliot. (If that was even the origin or source, which I don't think anyone has claimed for sure.) Is there some reason Eliot can't be improved on? I certainly don't think that. I'm not a fangirl of Hunter's lyrics by any means; I like some but others are pretty lame.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Dec 15, 2010 9:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The First Live Dark Star?

Each to their own naturally. I don't suppose Eliot could have come up with a halfway decent song lyric, but he was incontestably the better poet. In all honesty I'd say that any connection between Hunter's Dark Star and Eliot's Prufrock is more down to wishful thinking than anything else, but the line

"The muttering retreats
Of restless nights in one-night cheap hotels"

is somewhat suggestive of Stella Blue, don't you think?

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Dec 15, 2010 9:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The First Live Dark Star?

"any connection between Hunter's Dark Star and Eliot's Prufrock is more down to wishful thinking"

I think that's right.
Yeah, the resemblance to Stella is interesting!

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Dec 15, 2010 9:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The First Live Dark Star?

Praise be to Nero’s Neptune
The Titanic sails at dawn
And everybody’s shouting
“Which Side Are You On?”
And Ezra Pound and T. S. Eliot
Fighting in the captain’s tower
While calypso singers laugh at them
And fishermen hold flowers
Between the windows of the sea
Where lovely mermaids flow
And nobody has to think too much
About Desolation Row


Hey, just got email yesterday re 8 Live Mojo tracks - will forward same to your attention in next few days.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Dec 15, 2010 9:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The First Live Dark Star?

Thank you, B. Much appreciated!

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Poster: fenario80 Date: Dec 15, 2010 10:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The First Live Dark Star?

If you haven't heard "Flight of the Marie Helena," check it out. It's Hunter's truly ambitious head-on assault on Eliot (among other things) and ... fail. The Wasteland, and possibly Dark Star, will live forever; FOTMH, not so much.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Dec 16, 2010 4:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The First Live Dark Star?

Haven't but will check it out, thanks.